Wallace McKenzie

I sent this to several people and the first response to this idea echos what the selectmen,planning board and EDHAC felt in 2007 and how the town meeting voted in in 2009. That response was "YUCK"

Love it if it is kept to specialty

If I understand it, the cinema would be on the 2nd floor. If that is true, I would be concerned about safety should evacuation be needed. Is that the case.

I thought I lived in Lynnfield. Maybe this is Revere, or Lawrence. I know, I'll journey to the "Great Oz". He'll know what town I live in.!!!

When will the people of Lynnfield realize that ND doesn't care that they are degrading the image and property values of Lynnfield that they only care about how much money that they can make. A movie theatre, forget the upscale hype Lynnfield is turning into just another mall town like Danvers,Peabody and Burlington. This mall is the beginning of the downhill slide of Lynnfield. A movie theatre is just more profit for ND of Newton at the expense of the people of Lynnfield.

South Hadley Commmon across from mount holyoke college has a 2nd floor 2 theater movie complex. It is quaint and sonewhat old school. It is a great addition to the town.

Agree with above comment by Joe. This cinema will not be beneficial for Lynnfield. We do not need this in our town

Correction "doesn't add one thing to Lynnfield". ND has an agreement and has had a vote against on a movie but Ted Tye keeps chipping away and spinning the situation. He doesn't let up on what he wants. He's a pretty slick talker and I wonder when the people of Lynnfield will realize the damage he is doing and where this is going. Goodbye Lynnfield Hello North Saugus.

We have enough movie theaters in the area. Revere, Woburn, Burlington, Danvers. The next thing Mr. Ty'e will be asking for is Macy's.

Bill Gustus is ruining the town of Lynnfield. Bill, go away!!!

Macy's would be the least of our problems.
The cinema idea has already been rejected. Most residents don't want the late night crowds it attracts.
The last time the town voted against the cinema ,we got the late-night bowling alley / nightclub instead ! [ without any vote from the town ].
Check out KINGS website..
Open locations open till 1 or 2 AM..
Dress code states- no work boots,doo- rags,oversized shirts. ..
It sounds like they tend to attract an undesirable crowd.
So, how many Lynnfield residents asked him for that ?
Put me down for a "No" vote..

I was under the impression Lynnfield would get an upscale "DINNER ONLY" theater. I was at many meetings and a regular or special ciname was voted DOWN! I agree no cinama's for Lynnfield. I am also upset with Five Guys....I was told only UPSCALE restaurants....and Five Guys are now everywhere.....keep them on Rt 1.

The VOTERS already said "No". Why are they allowed to ask again?

I'd like to see what the proposal is before making any judgement about it. Hopefully, this shopping center will be a great asset to the community.

I am not in favor of this at all. Has anyone given thought to the burden this will place on the police and fire dept? Do we really need a movie theater? whats wrong with Danvers, Revere, Woburn, and Burlington?Did anyone think about the added traffic? How much revenue is this really going to add to Lynnfield, after you deduct the added police presence there that will be needed. This is just a place for the kids in Lynnfield, Wakefield, and Reading to hang out at our expense. No thank you , not interested.

I grew up in Lynnfield and live in Connecticut now in a small town similar to Lynnfield 10 or 15 years ago. A family owned golf course was sold to a developer and we now have an outdoor "marketplace" similar to Marketstreet. It turned out to be maybe 60% of what the developers said it would be. The traffic has increased beyond belief during holiday periods. In regards to the movie theater, we got one of those as well and it drove a Borders bookstore that was right next store out of business. The police have to have a cruiser there most evenings, it's really unfortunate.

Although it was heartbreaking to see the hill we grew up sledding on mowed down for a Five Guys and some promises, I understand things change. These developers "round up" to what the best case scenario could be. What typically ends up happening is 50 - 60% of that best case scenario becomes true. As we all know history repeats itself, take a look at other similar projects and compare what was proposed and what ended up becoming reality.

Lynnfield is still a great place to live, I'll just get off 128 at another exit.

Just one more thing,I would suggest that if ND wants a theater in Lynnfield so bad let them put in a new police dept and fire dept in the complex because were gonna need it.Look at the apt and condo complex that went up in Malden the developers had to put in a fire dept in order to build that concrete eye sore let ND do the same here.Think people, with all of this going we are going to have to hire more police and firemen who is going to pay these salaries?Where is the money going to come from? Ask the police and firemen of Lynnfield how they feel and what they think .Think about what that area of town is going to be like with 300 residences, restaurants, whole foods , bowling alley etc do we really need to add a theater with an influx of added traffic every 2 to 3 hrs?How much money will this theater bring in ? Is it going to pay the salaries of hiring new police and fire? Is it going to be worth the aggravation? How much do you want to bet that your taxes WILL STILL BE INCREASING because of this.
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I wonder how many of those making comments about kids hanging around the theater have kids hanging around their streets at night. We sure have a problem and the crowd just keeps getting bigger. Fences are broken down, street signs are stolen, property damaged. This goes on every night in summer. And guess what? None of the kids seem to be from our neighborhood. It seems to me this would at least give the kids a place to go (walk to) and the police could handle better if they are all in one place instead of different streets. When the police are called they just shoo them away. Back again as soon as police leave. The kids in this town have no where to call their own and so it's trouble for a lot of them. I grew up in this town and we at least could play tennis or baseball at Suntaug Park. That has a curfew now even though there are lights on the courts. Someone suggest a place for these kids to gather. Anywhere is better than the streets.

I grew up in Burlington, Ma. The "Mall" came in 1972. I was in the 9th grade. There was a turkey farm there and where we once played, in fields and a clear, clean running brook that we drank directly from. It's poison now and known as "Vine Brook".. There was a family who owned horses and other farm animals. The Mrs. used to baby sit me and were friends to many of our neighbors. I could go on about growing up in Burlington and how the "wise-guys" would hide out up the road in Billerica. Who would of thought that this lovely town, where all of us kids played and ran anywhere and everywhere, never looking over our shoulders, (just where we stepped, as our dogs with REAL dog names like: King and Queeny and Lance and Duke, followed) so long as we were home when the steet lights came on, would become the metropolis it is. There was only Rte 28 and Rte 62. The only thing Burlington has over Lynnfield, is space. How much more must we, as citizens, CRAM into what once was our haven from the world??? No!! No movie theatre!! Lynnfield, Put your foot down!! I realize most of Lynnfield is not affected by the construction earth movers, blasting, dirt and dust, just to mention a few. However, we residents that live here, have no way to distance ourselves! We are!!, if you please, in the wretched line of fire!! I would take the dog-piles of old, over this one any day.

The same voters who voted against a Dunkin Donuts on Main Street and a Cell Tower in an AFFLUENT part of town will vote for the movie theater in the MALL part of town. Sigh.....

Our challenge as a town is that the selectman are poor at best and far to swayed by their own self interest. Yes, they actually ran, we did not but, we do need to let our voices be heard and show up at the town meeting ... where, by the way, far too many non-lynnfield people voted for Market Street the first time ... what ever happened to enforcing who votes???

The whole complex will indeed cost far more than the tax revenue it will bring in. It will bring traffic, noise, crime, drugs, and social elements many of us worked hard to isolate our children from. Do remember the complex behind the Rt 1 delaership. Our town officials materially missed the boat on the impact that 200 units would have on our schools. This will be no better when 180 additional appartments go up.

Yes, we will need more Police, Fire, EMS, Animal Control, etc staff. Ours are very well paid and the new ones will likewise be so. Get your check books ready. And, don't forget equipement. The Ladder truck alone sucked up most of the $1,000,000 handed over early in the process. We'll need new police cruisers, another fire truck ... Oh, and of course a new or renovated Fire and Police safety complex ... the list goes on.

We've made our bed, a poor and very stupidly made one but, it is now ours. Let's not make it worse. Let's contain ND and let's actually oversee our seldon thoughtful town leaders

you people are all hateful republicans. That's why. YOu hate that this theater will bring diversity to the town. You all live in your ivory towers. Maybe it will be good to get some "color" in this town. I hope the theater goes up and I guarantee that it won't just be "specialty". This happens in other towns too, the racists are against it and the progressives are for it. We just have to appease all of you with hate in your hearts with "tax base". funny you republicans claim that you hate taxes but you are so greedy that you will vote this in. Just no minorities right? I will be voting for this and I will do it proudly. You people can't change what's coming. The "browning" of America = the "browning" of Lynnfield. You have had it too good for too long. Either move or lay down. You can't stop the diversity from coming to Market Place. Thank God for Ted Tye, someone who finally breaks up this lily white and bigoted town. AND finally the people in those apartments get to vote in town elections! Say goodbye to your "conservative" town. Just like the rest of the country, Change is coming!

TYE RHYMES WITH LIE. The gullible and the ignorant outvoted the prescient and the practical. Will it happen again? And again? Lynnfield is continually being pillaged and poached by carpetbaggers. Why is a suspended, former attorney the Town Manager of Lynnfield, making 170K a year with benefits and a pension? Surely he wasn't the product of a Nationwide search... Wake up Lynnfield, or a bustout and a liar will continue to control your destiny.

More businesses, more tax revenue and more jobs. You people make it sound like they are putting in a strip club. A cinema actually provides good family entertainment. My brother lives in Londonderry, NH and they have a cinema in town with 12 screens. It is a great service to the community and a safe place for kid friendly entertainment. The cinemas you compare the proposed cinema to are city cinemas with a city demographic. You are comparing apples to oranges. There is alot of fear mongering going on this thread. The cinema is a great place for young people to work in high school and learn responsibility. A cinema will not destroy the town. That is such an inaccurate, small minded train of thought.

I actually want them to develop it as was promised to the Town. One of the key selling points was there would not be a theater. They have moved away from a neighborhood village to a entertainment / eating destination.

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Vince,
Not sure where you live in Lynnfield or if you live in Lynnfield or how familar you are with the history of the project. A couple of points:
1. Both of the multiplexs you mention are not located near neighborhoods.
2. All we are asking is that the developer live up to what was promised in order to get the rezoning. Ted Tye representing National Development said that the development could be succesful without the cinema and that is why many people changed their vote. If it not the function of the town to let the developer do whatever they want. The town has already allowed National to change the size of the streets from approx 40 feet wide to over 120 ft wide.

Well I don't live right near th center as I assume you probably do. I am speaking to the climate of retail in 2013 and what successful developments have as amenities. There are certain economics that make these things work. There may come a time when key retail leaves because the foot trafic is not there. I know retail and I understand the componets that make these developments successful. I can understand if you live next to the development you will have a biased opinion on what you think should be in there. I know there are centers and malls who had a policy not to have cinemas in there facilities years ago. Well that thought process has changed in today's climate, the poilicy is no more and Westfield and Simon properties are now going full steam ahead trying to get exactly what this town does not want into their developments. Why? To drive foot traffic which in turn creates more customers and sales for the retail. It's a fact. What is not a fact is that the cinema/dining will bring down the town. I am speaking from what I know and understand. Emotions aside, we need this thing to work. Perhaps the town should get another outside agency that specializes in this industry to get another opinion.

If a bowling alley had any chance of success then why didn't Circle Bowl survive? And what exactly is "upscale" type cinema anyway? "Art films"? I don't think we're talking Cannes here... And look at all the cinema competition surrounding us? It's just a bad idea all around.

A couple of problems with the multiplex idea.

Ted Tye, representing National Development, promised there wouldn't be one and that switched votes.

Also how would you possibly build "upscale" into the zoning by law?

WOW, wake up people change can be good!

Requiring a cinema now for a sucessful project is just another sign that perhaps they should not have gone forward with this in the first place given the current retail climate. Kings is also opening in Burlington. (Too bad Lynnfield did not get Wegman's, too) How many cinemas, Kings, Five Guys, etc do we need in such a small area? A cinema = lots of traffic and cars rushing to make a movie time. I do not think we need it.

for accepting this horrific developement, and being seduced by slithering, sly Ty.

A cinema brings with it a huge increase in traffic volume. You know that increase will affect the quaint little center of town, as people get off exit 41 to cut over via Main and Summer streets. Why would we vote yes now, when we already voted it down?

Times change as well as deals. This country needs jobs. I know everybody agrees but in upper white communities the motto is as long as it is not in my backyard. "We live in a bedroom community and work hard not to come home and deal with businesses.". What a crock of BS. Let's keep these businesses in low income areas and let them deal with these issues. Why don't you step up to the plate and help the country's struggling economy? Do your part Lynfield. " The president needs to create jobs as long as it is not in my community.". Bunch of elitist hypocrites. Guess what, farms are not profitable anymore due to government taxes and estate taxes. Your living in yesterday's memories and denying today's realities. "We are too good to do our part and help out society as long as my life is not affected.". I don't give a rats ass if everyone in Lynfield has a job. There are more people who do not. Stop thinking about yourselves for one second and do do your part to help the local economy and your surrounding neighbors. I am sure a lot of people against this are retired and have already made their money working in someone elses home town. Maybe we can ship all our business to China so that business will not get in our way and everyone can live in their perfect ivory tower communities. That has worked really well for the American economy.

Oh and Wallace, don't keep repeating Honor the Deal, Preserve Market Street. It's a bit stale. By the way, a majority voted for the cinema. The reason that this is still an issue is because it did not reach a 2/3 majority. Again, a majority wants a cinema. Let the majority rule!! Not the elitist minority.

Vince said:"Perhaps the town should get another outside agency that specializes in this industry to get another opinion."

Vince, perhaps the developer should ... HONOR THE DEAL?

Suppose you signed a contract with a home remodeler guaranteeing X & Y work for $Z dollars. Would you allow that contractor to later renege on Y after the work started and, worse, then agree to let some third party to change the contract on the basis of their opinion? Of course NOT!

Carl Thomas (Carla D?) "Maybe we can ship all our business to China so that business will not get in our way and everyone can live in their perfect ivory tower communities." (+ the rest of your silly subterfuge / tirade)

We EARNED our right to live in our 'ivory tower' as you call it. People like you want to tear down every single incentive a capitalist free market economy presents (individual greed) that prompts people to FREELY choose to pursue their highest potential, (which almost always produces a SURPLUS). When all such incentives are gone there will be only scarcity and ONE thing left to motivate anyone to do anything - a whip. (and we know you're the one who wants to be holding it).

The DPRK just called Carla, they want you to come back to help their dear leader teach people better ways to cook tree bark.

BTW, the USA has the highest corporate tax rates, the most complex tax laws, and the most over the top oppressive regulations in the world if you really care to know why manufacturers are leaving our country.

Carla - Let the majority rule!!

= Let's throw out the RULES so I can have my way!

I'm not a Lynnfield resident (I live in Reading, right near where WS Dev tried to put a lifestyle center back in 2006),but I've been following this thread with interest. Seems to me that it's not so much that Nat Dev is changing tenant mix promised as much as the nature of what part of it is being changed to: high-traffic generating business with very late hours (midnight movies get out@2am). Not wanting that kind of business to abut residential areas it not being snob, elitist, racist, etc., or being against jobs - it's a reasonable quality of life issue. Traffic studies that were done, from what I can tell, did not factor in traffic by movie theatre, right? Traffic, noise, &late night lighting of parking lots will all result.
As for "upscale" tenants being preferred, well, that is what concerned us in Reading - you can't zone "upscale", it's a relative term (to Dollar Store shoppers, even Target might seem "upscale"). Given retail collapse of many stores from 2008-present, Nat Dev will take what they can get to fill Market St. If zoning does not permit movie theatre, the power is with you the residents to keep them from pushing it in, and I wish you the best.
Also, look out for Clear Channel, who may seek to put in a giant lighted 24 hour electronic billboard in Lynnfield along 128. They just tried to push one in Reading on West St near 93. via zoning changes put on our special town meeting last month. Voted down & they backed out due to community opposition.

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Now you have me even more worried! - http://goo.gl/maps/ld2cW

Thanks for the heads up on the Clear Channel "flashing light display" threat.

MarketStreet Facebook page has interesting post about promises and six million dollars. If you aren't on Facebook, you can see it at www.topics01940.org

National Development delaying presenting an article on the cinema. Details at www.topics01940.org

Tye claims $200,000.00 in annual increased revenues. As noted in the local paper, one named police officer, made $180,000.00 including overtime/details for the past year. As stated before, it costs $10,000.00 to send ONE child to school. Well, that allows 1 officer and 2 children per year........ Wow!! Really???? So much for the "increased revenue" I ask you, how many children will be moving into Lynnfield??? Not just to Market Street, but the majority of homes sold are usually to a couple with children. $200,000.00 is squat today! There are peole in town who make that and more for an annual income.... If that is best a multiplex can offer along with increase traffic, "middle-of-the-nighters" crime, the increased need for police, fire, ambulance, postal service, oh, just on and on and on.... I remain,
NO WAY!!! Nothing good happens after midnight, nor is there anything good that can be sown from this preposterous cinema. Lynnfield, for the most part, is a highly educated community. Do you, Ted Tye, take us for simple, naive fools???

National Development has chosen to delay an attempt to convince the town that they and the town need a multiplex at Market Street until the Fall. Now ND should reconsider the idea entirely and choose to Honor The Agreement that they sought and signed with town and it's neighbors.It's the only fair thing to do.