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TELL US: How Would You Feel About Having a Marijuana Dispensary in Town?

The medical marijuana ballot initiative passed on Tuesday, which means up to 35 medical marijuana dispensaries can open in 2013. Would you be OK with having one in town?

 

 

Medical marijuana is coming to Massachusetts. The question is: where?

The medical marijana ballot initiative that passed in Tuesdays election with 63 percent voter approval means that up to 35 medical marijuana dispensaries can open up in the state in 2013.

The new law goes into effect January 1, but requires rules and regulations be set up by the Department of Public Health.

Some towns and cities, such as Quincy, reportedly are already trying to line up regulations that would keep dispensaries out of their municipalities, which have proved troublesome in some of the nine states where medical marijuana dispensaries have been legal.

What do you think? Is this a classic case of NIMBY (fine, but Not In My Back Yard)? Or do medical marijuana dispensaries really not make sense in your town, but they're fine somewhere else — and if so, why?

Tell us in our comments section below. 

Related Topics: Medical Marijuana Massachusetts, Medical marijuana, marijuana dispensaries, and medical marijuana ballot initiative

Jane Smith

5:23 am on Friday, November 9, 2012

I hope Peabody puts together some regulations. I would hate to see Route 1 lined with marijuana stores.

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mpf

7:51 am on Friday, November 9, 2012

It's a prescription only dispensary. Why not? I see the biggest problem being break-ins, it's the dispensary's responsibility to provide security. I'd rather have a dispensary than another liquor store, with teens hanging out waiting for someone to buy them booze. Don't need a prescription to drink and drive.

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Header

7:52 am on Friday, November 9, 2012

Are you kidding me!! Just picture this, cell phone in one ear, starbucks in the cup holder, make up mirror for that touch up at the red light and under the influence of bud, i am not taking bud light!! I guess our insurance rates and people hit at cross walks just went up!! NO WAY!! This country is going to POT as it is!!

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Leonard Nicodemo

8:23 am on Friday, November 9, 2012

You're more frightened of people "driving high" than all the people who drive into Salem on the weekend, get hammered, and drive home? You're joking right?

Also, the law states that:
"To qualify, a patient must have been diagnosed with a debilitating medical condition, such as cancer, glaucoma, HIV-positive status or AIDS, hepatitis C, Crohn’s disease, Parkinson’s disease, ALS, or multiple sclerosis."

Not just anyone can just walk in to the dispensary and buy pot. These are people who are SUFFERING. Please better inform yourself before posting again.

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chelebelle

11:11 am on Friday, November 9, 2012

ignorance is bliss eh? get out of your bubble and realize that "pot" could help get this country OUT of the shitter

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Sarah Begin

9:30 am on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

Just picture this...people texting and driving, killing others everyday. Fact. People with open containers in one hand, crashing and killing others drunk driving. Fact. Everyday. Research your facts before you make dumb statments about something you obviously know nothing about.

Jared Robinson

7:57 am on Friday, November 9, 2012

Sounds like a great idea. Plenty of benefits for all cities.

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Sylvie

8:26 am on Friday, November 9, 2012

A store providing a mild, plant-based treatment for very sick people, who already have to take too many harsh pharmaceutical drugs....sounds like just what the doctor ordered. I am in total support of this.

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Dave Gray

8:51 am on Friday, November 9, 2012

I also support this, if for no other reason than it would reduce the need of many who suffer from awful medical conditions to have to resort to heavy duty narcotics or go to the black market to get any relief. As for location - clearly there are places in town where it would be inappropriate, but I can think of several where it would not be. Ask any teenager where they could get it right now, and I'll bet 90% could tell you. If you have a loved one suffering from Parkinson's, Cancer, MS, Peripheral Neuropathy, etc, this is a no brainer.

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hammergjh

8:51 am on Friday, November 9, 2012

In support of the law and frankly wouldn't bother me one bit if it was here but I'd rather see it in Lynn. Right next to the district court house! HA!!

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ej burke

2:14 pm on Monday, November 12, 2012

Why Lynn, it is a proven fact in Peabody 76% of high school students have either tried Pot or Drink Alcohol. This has been going on for years.

John Buba

8:56 am on Friday, November 9, 2012

I hope a giant pot superstore goes up right next to the Ehrlich gallery. Patch can go there to take pictures as Lori cuts the ribbon and welcomes this new business to Marblehead. (One can only hope.)

Now this is where the rubber will meet the road. All the Marblehead Liberals who voted for this will now do everything they can to keep the stores out of their quaint Marblehead town.

Typical liberal mentality, good idea, just don't put it near me.

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Dave Gray

9:30 am on Friday, November 9, 2012

I would remind people, especially those in public positions, that 2/3 of the electorate - the biggest majority of any election this year, voted in favor of this. Last time I looked, those people work for us. The electorate has made it clear what it wants, so stop with the propaganda and make it happen. You are not the morality police, and you have no right to impose your personal beliefs. You don't have to like it, but you have to do it.

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SJBarnard

1:46 pm on Sunday, November 11, 2012

And I'll remind you that, regardless of what the ignorant public voted for, it is still considered illegal by the federal government. Can't wait to see the DEA raiding the "dispensaries".

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Lenny

9:35 am on Monday, November 12, 2012

Who says we have no right to try to and impose our personal beliefs if we can persuade enough people to agree with us? I oppose prostitution, child labor, drunk driving, animal sacrifice, dog and cock fights, and elder abuse to name a few. Not because they are against the law, but because they spring from my personal beliefs and morality. So what is the problem with that?

It is you that seems to be saying that you are the morality police because you are trying to tell the rest of us at what point our personal morality doesn't count. It is too hard to understand that we don't want a mind altering drug made more readily available to our children?

Debate the issue fairly Mr Gray, but try not to impose your sense of morality by attempting to definine ours in doing so. You can be better than that.

jason wert

9:36 am on Friday, November 9, 2012

Why not? Its no diff. Than a liqour store... oh wait, it is... pot doesn't kill people! From someone who has a problem that is eased by this plant, Thanks to the mass. People that helpd make this happen! To those who oppose, its here, get informed & get over it!

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Michael

9:51 am on Friday, November 9, 2012

I would support this because seriously and honestly, how annoying are street pot dealers in the neighborhood? This is legitimate and regulated and I see nothing wrong with it.

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Diana

10:06 am on Friday, November 9, 2012

Please, let's have one in North Andover. We don't need another liquor store but more businesses means more taxes. Better fund schools than criminals.

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Carol-Lee Armstrong Kehoe

10:10 am on Friday, November 9, 2012

It's by prescription for sick people. Don't have a problem with it. It's better for them to have clean, safe drugs sold legally than have to buy who knows what off the streets illegally. They have enough to worry about already. I wouldn't mind it at all, especially if it were on Route 1 or someplace.

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Saber Walsh

10:18 am on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

Ummm... doctors can't write a prescription for it. It's an illegal substance under federal law.

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Keith Lucy

10:27 am on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

It's not by prescription, it's by recommendation, like when a doctor tells you to take Advil or Tylenol. The difference is that this will NOT be a "clean, safe" drug. There are no protections regarding the safe production or distribution. Read the articles about the compounding center and those that died from meningitis and you'll get a glimpse into what can happen when there is no control.

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Lenny

11:14 am on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

Right, it is by a written doctor recommedation, but it carries for the doctor the same burden as a prescription. The patient is required to carry a card in order to make the purchase.

Shazzan Nights

10:20 am on Friday, November 9, 2012

Will we have Purple Haze All Around?

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JoeyBagofDonuts

10:29 am on Friday, November 9, 2012

Finally regulation on something that doesnt make people crazy, hit telephone poles downtown, and get violent. Just the opposite is upon us now, lets see how society reacts to it. Will Crime go down? drunken driving go down? violent crimes go down? or up? who knows... we'll see

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Shazzan Nights

10:36 am on Friday, November 9, 2012

Can we get lil Wayne to cut the ribbon?

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Bob Broderick

10:41 am on Friday, November 9, 2012

There are already several dozen "dispensary's" in town. I see no added problem with having a legal one that generates taxable income and doesn't support the murderous drug cartels.

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chelebelle

11:14 am on Friday, November 9, 2012

pot dealers are murderous drug cartels? that's a joke i hope

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Bob Broderick

2:16 pm on Friday, November 9, 2012

Local pot dealers are not murders but do you read the news about mexico? Where does it come from?

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Peter

2:48 pm on Friday, November 9, 2012

California, Colorado, Canada, locally grown, etc. Sure, some probably comes from Mexico, but most is from within our own country. Cartels care about cocaine, not weed.

Not that this is really relevant to the discussion at hand.

MHH101

12:51 pm on Friday, November 9, 2012

Marijuana legalization votes this week in Colorado and Washington state don't just set up an epic state-federal showdown on drug law for residents.

Both measures make marijuana possession in small amounts OK for all adults over 21 — not just state residents but visitors, too.

Opens the door for something more to tax, creation of small businesses and tourism.

Coming soon......Amsterdam like coffee/marijuana cafes?

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Ann B

10:05 pm on Saturday, November 10, 2012

makes me want to vacation!

jerry patch

1:35 pm on Friday, November 9, 2012

why not the drug stores they sell a host of other essential products

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Saber Walsh

10:20 am on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

Pharmacists cannot sell this -- they are bound under existing federal drug control laws. It would have to be a "civilian" dispensary (and someone with a really good lawyer and a doberman)

Drew

3:10 pm on Friday, November 9, 2012

Looks like I am still going to have to drive to Lynn or Peabody for a bag if they don't allow dispensaries in my own town. Therefore, nothing changes except now I will be taxed on it and no longer have to hang out at some weirdos apt for an hour and make small talk and play nofriendo, I mean nintendo.

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Edward

6:11 pm on Friday, November 9, 2012

Although I voted against this, it's already moot because possession of it, is illegal under Federal law.

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#getreal

9:49 am on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

not for long Edwars, wake up to 2012!

Sean Ward

6:15 pm on Friday, November 9, 2012

Not only am I for this but I hope the next step is to legalize it completely with a smoking age just like booze. The people who are going to use pot are already using it. They are just risking jail time and supporting an illegal drug trade to do so. Not to mention clogging up the jails and wasting law enforcement time and money. Legalize it, tax the snot out of it.

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Sean Ward

6:16 pm on Friday, November 9, 2012

And for those of you who don't want this in your town, make no mistake, the drug dealers are already there, you just don't see them.

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Lara Robledo

7:59 pm on Friday, November 9, 2012

Id like one in Salem. As a disabled pefson. Marihuana beats all these other harsh drugs.

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Concerned Citizen

8:02 pm on Friday, November 9, 2012

I thought we already had dispenseries for legal drugs. Called a DRUG STORE. Why does pot get a special place?

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Ann B

10:09 pm on Saturday, November 10, 2012

I'm not sure why they need a special place either.

Joey Ismail

10:20 pm on Friday, November 9, 2012

It's incredibly refreshing to watch actual democracy reawakening in America. The politicians have proved completely useless on BOTH sides of the fence. The citizens must shoulder the majority of the blame though, for too long we sat around and waited for the government to fix everything and run everything. We had forgotten the principals this country was founded on, freedom, limited government, and the pursuit of happiness. I'm proud to sayth people are finally taking charge again, if our elected officials refuse go adequately represent the citizens, then the citizens will represent ourselves. Power to the people, this is a great day to be an American.

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jason wert

11:57 pm on Friday, November 9, 2012

@rick "few would suggest that everyone in the industry is making huge profits; many dispensaries do struggle to stay afloat. Nor do the court cases capture the relief truly ill patients ascribe to high quality marijuana they might have difficulty getting if these shops did not exist" did you miss that part? Yes like everything in life, some people are going to abuse this, not everyone is going to be honest. But there are honest, legitimate dispensaries too. Not everyone involved in the distribution of medical marijuana is a criminal. Noone here is naive, we just realize that it is time to change the way we handle marijuana. Too many wasted tax dollars fighting this so called "war on drugs", too many people in prison over a little pot. Why aren't you complainig about the pharmacuetical companies distributing all these opiate based pain killers? Are you aware that the most abused drugs today are prescription pain meds like perkocet & oxycontin?

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Ricky W Kracker a.k.a. Diggy Swagga

8:34 am on Saturday, November 10, 2012

"Why aren't you complainig about the pharmacuetical companies distributing all these opiate based pain killers? Are you aware that the most abused drugs today are prescription pain meds like perkocet & oxycontin?"
Assumption made without evidence. Pharmaceutical companies have become a plague upon us, and I hold no truck with enabling addiction in any way.

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Lenny

8:05 am on Monday, November 12, 2012

The most abused drugs are Percocet and OxyContin? So what? Your answer is to make another drug easier to abuse?

Look, the law is a sham and everyone knows it. It is not for those that want to use it medicinally, it is for potheads to have an easier and cheaper way to obtain it.

Those that voted against it, voted against it because they know it is not about medicine, and those who voted for it also know the same thing. Why are we wasting our time?

Legalization should be put on the ballot, and if it is voted in ( which is likely) then we tax the hell out of it at twice the tax we put on the non-mind altering cigarettes that old folks and poor people purchase.

These sham ballot initiatives are an insult to all of us who know the real intent of them.

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Sarah Begin

9:40 am on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

Lenny, you are so ignorant its ridiculous! As a cancer survivor friend recently said...I never would have made it through the grueling chemo treatments if it were not for pot. It helped her eat, take away the pain, and put her at ease to finally get some sleep. so yes, it is absolutely for medical purposes. And if people wanna have it for recreational use, good for them. Better than drinking...killing your liver, driving drunk, violent moods, fighting. Give me a break. Get your facts straight. Maybe they should make alcohol illegal again since it has so many bad consequences. Prescription pills are so over used and abused and guess what...way more damaging/addictive than a simple plant based drug. Take your blinders off

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Lenny

10:27 am on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

Sarah, you are an idiot. You have lousy reading comprehension skills and you make things up as you go along. You don't have a cancer survivor friend that told you that. You are making it up and you should be ashamed of yourself for doing so.

jason wert

12:26 pm on Saturday, November 10, 2012

Y'all are naive.... assumption made without evidence.

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adrienne

8:20 pm on Saturday, November 10, 2012

What about putting medical Marijuana vending machines in the lobbies of hospitals or medical offices? Since it will be available by prescription only, a patient could get his/her prescription by inserting or scanning the piece of paper that their Dr. gave them into the vending machine.

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Saber Walsh

10:18 pm on Saturday, November 10, 2012

While the state may make an unconstitutional move to lessen what is on the Federal side of the law, the fact remains that marijuana is a controlled substance under Federal law and is illegal for any use except production of Marinol.

Until the Federal laws are as permissive as what the state law is supposed to be re-written to be, Peabody should ensure that no such clinics operate within city boundaries.

I will NOT support any politician or political party who would be stupid enough to have slept through 7th Grade Civics and not know that you cannot make state laws that are in conflict with Federal.

So no, not in Peabody!

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jason wert

10:58 pm on Saturday, November 10, 2012

This would b difficult to accommodate all patients. These dispensaries provide a vast variety of marijuana based products including many edibles & concentrated extracts. Depending on a patients condition, they may not be able to smoke it or they may need it in a concentrated, high dose to provide enough relief for more severe conditions. These are not just over-the-counter pot shops or amsterdam like cafes, they provide many different services for all types of patients. They also provide a clean, safe, natural product( typically no chemical fertilizers, clean water) which is all but impossible to find on the street. Not everyone is in it to help the patient, there are bad people as with everything in life, but the people who pioneered this did so with the intentions of really helping the patient. They do so not only with medicine, but with knowledge, & constant research as it is an ever-growing, ever-changing field. Haha great idea though, I certainly would have no problem with a marijuana vending machine!!

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Dave Gray

11:00 pm on Saturday, November 10, 2012

That is, or course, your right, but first, take a Constitutional Law course. What the voters have directed is not unconstitutional. Second, take a 7th grade History course to go along with your 7th grade Civics course. There you'll learn what a rousing success Prohibition was.

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Dennis Verrette

8:08 am on Sunday, November 11, 2012

Read your history. Prohibition was a complete and total failure. It was repealed after only three years.

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Dave Gray

10:51 am on Sunday, November 11, 2012

Of course it was, Dennis. That was my point. Sorry if my use of sarcasm misled you. All any kind of prohibition accomplishes is to provide an opportunity for criminals to make a lot of money. Prohibition is the gateway.

jason wert

11:05 pm on Saturday, November 10, 2012

Good thing I have no interest in living in peabody.

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Dennis Verrette

8:14 am on Sunday, November 11, 2012

Sorry, I meant to say " after only thirteen years "

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Rico Z

11:06 am on Sunday, November 11, 2012

This doesn't bother me at all. I have an extreme form of anxiety and depressive disorder, now that pot is legal (and the only medication that has ever helped me) I'd love to go down the block and buy legal. Instead of have to go buy from some sketchy drug dealer.
Let's get real too, some use pot recreationally, also not a big deal. The majority who smoke aren't stoned all the time, just like those that drink alcohol aren't alll alcoholics.

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Jamie Dedoglou

12:19 pm on Sunday, November 11, 2012

I support dispensaries 100%. I'm a supporter through and through. I would absolutely love to have marijuana dispensaries in our town. Just because a dispensary may open up in town does not mean we will have more people driving around under the influence of marijuana. If people are going to smoke weed they will find it one way or the other. Dispensaries don't necessarily mean everyone is going to be smoking weed and driving, running people over and causing accidents. Get real. This is medicinal marijuana for people who need it with a valid prescription, not a damn free for all. We are just now finally getting on the right page about marijuana and its about time. I say bring on the dispensaries! I'd be so proud to have one (or more!) In my town!!

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Ann B

2:26 pm on Sunday, November 11, 2012

I think this article says it pretty well. Federal vs. states. I bet on the states.

"Whether the federal government allows that to happen is "a billion dollar question," Kamin said.
"Every store that sells marijuana here is violating federal law," he said. "The federal government could come in and seize assets. They could charge people criminally. They could send people to jail for scores of years. They have chosen, so far, not to do that."
With almost half the states now legalizing marijuana to some degree, the federal government will have to make a decision, he said.
"It simply can't go on the way it is," Kamin said. "It can't be a big industry and a Federal crime at the same time."

http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/07/politics/marijuana-legalization/index.html

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#getreal

9:52 am on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

Even the federal gov knows this a joke and will need to legalize everywhere soon enough. So everyone can get their panties out of a bunch and calm down.

Kathleen

12:56 am on Monday, November 12, 2012

Maybe they ought to open up a dispensary down town. We all know there are enough empty store fronts to support one. Make it part of the mayor's plan to 'revitalize' the down town area. People won't even have to drive to get their poison. They will have all new sidewalks and crosswalks to walk to it. Strip clubs on Route One and marijuana dispensaries down town. What more could you ask for? We can all sit around and just watch our sinking property values plummet further...

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#getreal

9:55 am on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

Wake up Kathleen. No more poison than alcohol or prescription drugs. The only poion is the chemo pumped into a cancer patient that can,t eat or sleep. Do you drink? Cuz that was once illegal too. Drunk driving and crime from prescripyion drugs is what the laws should focus on. Come out from under your rock honey.

jason wert

7:36 am on Monday, November 12, 2012

Kathleen, that's ridiculous, another uninformed comment. I bet these places would bring your town more money than its ever seen

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Keith Lucy

7:56 am on Monday, November 12, 2012

Jason - there is no provision for tax collection of any kind off of the sale of marijuana.

jason wert

9:52 am on Monday, November 12, 2012

Keep in mind this is stil new to our country, well figure out how to regulate through time. Fact is, this crop is more profitable thrn

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jason wert

9:56 am on Monday, November 12, 2012

Keep in mind this is stil new to our country, well figure out how to regulate through time. Fact is, this crop is more profitable then any other plant on this earth, a completley natural, medicine that can be grown in huge amounts yearly. This has huge advantages in a time that we really need it, we, as a country, need to figure out how to use that.

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jason wert

9:57 am on Monday, November 12, 2012

Not to mention the advantages of hemp

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Lenny

10:11 am on Monday, November 12, 2012

Thisis the mentality folks. Spend, spend, waste, waste, and do nothing about it. And when the chickens come home to roost financially, lets solve the issue by creating more social problems and tax those problems.

Encourage those with gambling addictions to more easily destroy their families, because we need the tax revenue.

Encourage people with drug problems to consume more drugs, because we need the revenue.

It is an awful path we are on, and the evidence proves that it doesn't work. California is a fiscal mess, marijuana hasn't save them...and they will soon be coming to the rest of us with cap in hand to bail them out. NJ was not saved by Atlantic City, it was becoming a fiscal mess until Christie arrived, it was not gambling revenue that did pulled them out

But I am wasting my breath, there is no way to convince people of this mindset. An for those desperate to consume pot legally, the drug addiction has a stronger pull then logic, ask anyone with a family member who has a drug problem. They can't be reasoned out of it.

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Zombie Dogs

11:20 am on Monday, November 12, 2012

It's amusing that you claim to defer to logic as you rely entirely on casual fallacies and false analogies!

"Encourage those with gambling addictions to more easily destroy their families, because we need the tax revenue. Encourage people with drug problems to consume more drugs, because we need the revenue."

1- Casinos are not marijuana dispensaries. You don't need a prescription to gamble, you need an i.d. reflecting that you are at least 18 years old.

2- People who are given prescriptions for weed should not be dismissed as illegitimate users or already-dependent.

3- Your post speaks crickets in terms of legally dispensed opiates, which relates to your concern with drug addiction more appropriately than does marijuana. Weed is a substance which is not physically or chemically addictive, as is, for example, alcohol, oxycontin, cocaine, heroin, nicotine, and caffeine. Gambling is not a substance but a behavioral addiction, like sex or video game addiction.

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Zombie Dogs

11:27 am on Monday, November 12, 2012

4- Where is your data on the reason the legislation for medical access to pot was introduced in Massachusetts? In California? Don't confuse potential outcomes (tax revenue) with primary reasons (increasing patients' access to treatment).

"the evidence proves that it doesn't work. California is a fiscal mess, marijuana hasn't save [sic.] them...and they will soon be coming to the rest of us with cap in hand to bail them out." (p.s. the state of California receives 78 cents in federal aid for every 1 dollar paid to federal income taxes by its citizens.)

5- Again, whether the legislation "works" would require inquiry into the relative quality of treatment for patients to whom the substance is prescribed, not into the amount of money that it has happened to garner for the state.

Last I checked, the law wasn't titled "A Law Allowing Marijuana to be Medicalized to Engender Fiscal Salvation for the State of California."

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Lenny

11:47 am on Monday, November 12, 2012

Now you are just making it up as you go along. Who said a casino is a marijuana dispensary?

The point I am making is that when gamibling casinos and scratch tickets become ubequitous, the state is making it easier for people with a gambling additction to harm themselves and their families. And the state is playing off the gamblers weakness in order to fund government that is unaffordable.

This law is not about sick people. It is about getting around laws prohibiting the sale and consumption of marijuana. And you folks, when you talk about taxing it, you reveal what your true goal is. It is to eventually legalize it, because you wouldn't be promoting the idea of "taxing the hell of it" if you are speaking about sick people. Or is your goal to tax the hell out of sick and dying people?

Lastly, are you trying to tell all of us on this message board that marijuana use is not addictive? Are you really trying to say that? You may be a lot younger than I am, but for those of us who have been around awhile, seeing a Grateful Dead concert and the "zombie dogs" who follow them is all we need to know that pot is addictive. We all have friends and schoolmates from HS who to this day still smoke pot and have little ambition to even leave the house.

It is absurd to suggest it is not addictive. Ask the AMA, or any physician's organization.

Again, you want to legalize it, do it the right way instead of a sham ballot question porproting to care about sick people.

jason wert

10:52 am on Monday, November 12, 2012

Ask anyone who lives with someone that has a serious condition & uses this for help, it has nothing to do with addiction, we all work, contribute to society, provide for our families, most of us live pretty well despite our so called "addiction." Get ovet it, its not crack! Hell, its not even alchohol

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Lenny

11:00 am on Monday, November 12, 2012

It is about addiction, the law was voted in by potheads, and we all know it. It is incrementalism designed to get us to legalization. You said so yourself. You may have mentioned sick people throughout your posts, but you also mentioned taxing it...how safe it is for driving,etc. If I am not correct, then you are saying that you want to heavliy tax sick people? Who do you think you are kidding?

Like I said, put legalization on the ballot, and then when it passes, promote it through federal legislation to make it legal. These sham ballot initiaitves are ridiculous. The vast majority of voters like you, vote it for it because you want to smoke it legally. Again, who do you think you are fooling?

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Ron Powell

11:14 am on Monday, November 12, 2012

George Washington, Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison .... they were all potheads, and I think they ended up doing well for themselves.

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Lenny

12:07 pm on Monday, November 12, 2012

Says who Ron? Washington, Jefferson, Madison were potheads? Says who? Since you are making things up to support your shallow argument, why don't you say Mother Teresa, Eleanor Roosevelt, Neill Armstrong, The Dalai Lama, Saint Joseph, Jesse Owens, and Dr Livingston were all potheads? Throw in Pope John Paul, and Woodrow Wilson for good measure.

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Ron Powell

12:52 pm on Monday, November 12, 2012

Well, given that George Washington grew hemp on his farm and wrote in his diary on August 7, 1765, that that he "--began to seperate (sic) the Male from the Female Hemp at Do--rather too late." -- something that you would do specifically to harvest cannabis. And then he wrote, "Make the most of the Indian hemp seed, sow it everywhere," I think that it is pretty safe to assume that he was a user. And of course you have the last three US Presidents, too. Hemp was not illegal in any state until 1914, marijuana use in the US was not taboo for over 150 years, and it was originally made illegal to discriminate against Mexican immigrants. And, just so you know, I do not smoke and never have -- just stating the facts.

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Lenny

1:15 pm on Monday, November 12, 2012

Ok, so now you are doubling down on your misinformation?

You left out the most important part of his diary (which you well know because you just read the quote in order to put it in your post).

"In his diary for August 7, 1765, Washington writes, "Began to separate the Male from the Female hemp … rather too late." Female marijuana plants are the ones that contain enough THC to be worth smoking. Some take this to mean Washington was cultivating the plant not just for fiber. Of course, two days later Washington says he put the hemp in the river to soak and separate out the fibers, and later in September that he started to harvest the seed. That suggests he divided the plants because the males made stronger fiber while the female plants produced the seed needed for the next year's crop.

He wouldn't have soaked it if he intended to smoke it. Any potheads out there want to tell me they soak their weed in water before rolling it up?

Washington did not smoke pot, Jefferson did not smoke pot, and Madison did not smoke pot. They were farmers and they grew it for the hemp to make rope, sails, and clothing. They were farmers, NOT potheads.

Come on Ron, there is an internet avaliable to us all. It is nearly impossible to get away with making things up to support your position because of its existence.

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Lenny

1:28 pm on Monday, November 12, 2012

Oh and the last three Presidents are not potheads. They may have smoked it, many of us have, but they are not potheads. Your original post suggested that Washington, Franklin, Jefferson, and Madison were potheads. The difference between our last three presidents who may have smoked pot in their youth, and a pothead is that our last three Presidents don't smoke it now and are therefore not potheads: potheads on the other hand still smoke pot. AND Washington, Jefferson, Madison, and Franklin didn't smoke it, and were certainly not potheads. Find a credible historian who says otherwise.

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Ron Powell

2:59 pm on Monday, November 12, 2012

Cannabis was used as a medicinal medicine throughout our early American history, as evidenced by its mention in US Pharmacopoeia. It did not have the social stigma it has today. And let's be clear, it has the stigma because it happens to be the drug of choice for "other people."

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Lenny

3:18 pm on Monday, November 12, 2012

"Other People"? What does that mean? Come on, this thread had been going for 3 days.......many of you have been dying to call those of use who oppose illegal drug use racists, but you were waiting for someone to make the first move Looks like Ron is preparing to be the first one to jump in. So who are these "other people" Ron? Your mudslinging fans are waiting for you to being the race-baiting.

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Ron Powell

12:07 am on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

I'm going to assume that you drink beer and wine. I'm going to assume that you do not smoke marijuana. "Other people" -- voila! Do you think that we might be able to engage in a mature and civil conversation? I hope so. You wouldn't be a cop by chance?

As I wrote earlier, I do not smoke. I rarely even drink red wine. But I trust most who do either to do so responsibly, because, well, they are adults. And adults ought to be treated as such. I know a few people who smoke, and they all hold regular jobs, pay taxes, and function fine in society. I also know people who do smoke it for legitimate medical reasons.

I think that you have raised some fair questions, but you should try to suppress revealing your obvious disdain for those with which you disagree.

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Lenny

10:18 am on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

Glad you backed down on the "other people" comment, it would have been disgusting to pursue. I have friends who smoke pot, I have family members who smoke pot. It is their business. But I don't want backdoor legalization of marijuana through sham ballot questions. The legalization of pot should be debated and voted on. That is what I have been saying all along and I didn't need to make up historical facts to support my argument, nor phony stories about make believe people who's only chance for a pain free life was by smoking pot.

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#getreal

9:58 am on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

Smoking legal or illegal is 100x better than drinking and the consequences that come with alcohol. God I hope that none of your friends or family experience a bad illness....well then maybe you would see how important it is to have access to pot and live a decent pain free life. You must be like 70 or 80 and stuck in your ways, or just REALLY REALLY misinformed. Either way, sad...

Lenny

11:03 am on Monday, November 12, 2012

The medicinal use argument is meant to pull at the heart strings of decent people, when the real design of the ballot intiative is to give people who smoke pot, easier access to it, and to skirt federal law. Not a damn thing to do with sick people...not a damn thing.

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#getreal

9:59 am on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

Karma is a bitch, better not get sick or you'll be begging for it!

jason wert

11:51 am on Monday, November 12, 2012

Good point ron. I don't need this guy telling me about something I live every day, he doesn't seem to have a clue about the reality of this issue. Get your head outta the 50s, pot is not the demon gov. Made it out to be in the old days. Props for being so passionate about your side though, lenny, but I am a decent person, & a pothead too!

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Lenny

11:57 am on Monday, November 12, 2012

I don't care if you smoke pot. I don't care. Just don't be mendacious about your goals. Don't say pot isn't addictive, because you know it is. Don't say you support the bill be you are simply concerned about sick people, because that is not your primary reason. You supported it because you want to make access to marijuana easier for those who smoke it recreationally. Again, put legalization on the ballot, let it win, tax the real pot heads, not the sick, and then figure out a way to have the Fed's leave the state alone. But stop the nonesense about "medicinal marijuana"...that is not the reason why this ballot initiave won.

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jason wert

12:50 pm on Monday, November 12, 2012

Buddy legalizing medical marijuana DOES NOT make it easier to access pot, trust me, these days its like buyin bubblegum, with or without medical dispensaries

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Lenny

1:08 pm on Monday, November 12, 2012

You are kidding, right? Leagalizing medical marijuana would not make it easier to access pot? One script from your doctor describing back pain or anxiety, and you can traipse down to the dispensary in broad daylight, purchase it from a nice looking clerk wearing a lab coat, and not from dealer in the back of a van under the cover of night.
I know you are laughing, that people don't meet in vans to purchase pot, but I am using hyperbole to make it clear that purchasing a product legally is far easier than illegally.

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Bridget Russo

1:12 pm on Monday, November 12, 2012

Lenny have you ever felt the effects of chemo?

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#getreal

10:00 am on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

Right on, Bridget! No compassion as he has said over and over and over that it has nothing to do with illness.

Lenny

1:43 pm on Monday, November 12, 2012

Yes I have Bridget, why do you ask? And how does your question relate to what I have said? I am not against people having marijuana who are sick. I am against fraudulent ballot initiatives that are designed to get to a result that is other than what they are porportedly supposed to be getting to. Passage of the bill is for the purpose of making it easier for people to obtain marijuana legally and skirt federal laws prohibiting its sale and use.

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Bridget Russo

4:00 pm on Monday, November 12, 2012

Well your comments lead me to believe that you have absolutely no compassion for the ill citizens who would benefit from this law. I agree with Jason in that this law will in no way make it easier for sick people who qualify to get marijuana. I qualify and I will bet you $20 that my MGH doctor will not be writing scripts for the drug, nor will any other MGH or BWH doctor for that matter. The Massachusetts Medical Society has made it clear from the gitgo that they are against this legislation and they have already made a statement saying that they do not condone doctors who write scripts for the drug. Instead, again, people who are qualified will have to go to the back alley to relieve their nauseau. I totally disagree that "potheads" voted this in. I know many who don't even use it and who qualify to use it who voted for it.

ej burke

2:22 pm on Monday, November 12, 2012

To all parents of Peabody, it is a proven fact 76% of all High School students have either smoked pot or have had tried and continue to drink alcohol. Ask your high school student to be honest with you and I am sure they will confirm this %. So people don't be naieve smoking and drinking is all around us. This bill is for sick individuals to ge a prescription.

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Lenny

4:22 pm on Monday, November 12, 2012

Pretty nasty Bridgit, saying I am against this because I have "absolutely no compassion for the ill". You should learn some manners & then take a course in reading comprehension, because as I have written, my objection has been the ballot question was being used as a way to allow recreational users to obtain pot hassle free & to skirt laws prohibiting its use.

The Mass Medical Society is against this legislation because they're against promoting the use of marijuana, & they know what this ballot question is really about, and its not about sick people. If it was, then why did the Mass Medical Society oppose it?
As far as doctors writing bad scripts, have you ever taken a day off and seen all the people on the golf courses who are out on permanent "disability", almost all of whom are state workers? Have you never heard about people who fake a fall in a supermarket, or have their cars tapped by another vehicle, or strain themselves lifting a box in work then go to a lawyer who sends them to a doctor who puts them in a neck brace? Have you been that sheltered that you never heard of such things happening? Well let me tell you, Massachusetts is reknown for producing such fraud. Do you recall the fireman out on injury, competing in a weightlifting competition? You don't think that he needed a doctor to say he was injured?

Yet you find it hard to believe that a doctor can't be found to say a pothead suffers from anxiety or back pain. GIVE ME A BREAK.

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Bridget Russo

9:51 am on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

I don't think it's nasty at all. It is an observation based on your posts that I think you don't have compassion for the ill who really need marijuana to help with their nausea/pain, etc. I also think that it's bad manners to post without revealing your full name - it makes it easier to be nasty since your posts are anonymous, but that's just my opinion. You really think that the Mass Medical Society is against it because they don't like pot? lol I think you may want to read up on how the pharmacutical companies are the second biggest lobbiests against legalization and how they are related to the medical industry. True legalization of medical marijuana (true meaning the Feds would honor State laws thereby allowing legitimate doctors to prescribe cannibis) would eliminate the need for a boat load of prescribed pills and would negatively affect big Pharma companies in a really big way. It's not as simple as you seem to think it is. And by the way, if the weed is grown outdoors of course Washington would have soaked it to get the bugs out. Then he would dry it out for about a week before smoking, eating, whatever the heck he did with it. Obviously he would not smoke it wet just as no one would smoke it just after harvesting without drying it out first.

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#getreal

10:01 am on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

Bridget is right. Read your own comments. No compassion but plenty of ignorance

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Lenny

10:24 am on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

That is because your reading comprehension is substandard Getreal. I said that legalization should be voted on, It will pass, and then we move on. But this law is not a about sick people......the majority of voters who favored it, voted for it so they could smoke pot legally, not because they were concerned about sick people. It is a sham bill, and smart people know that. Idiots don't.

jason wert

7:00 pm on Monday, November 12, 2012

Yes bridget we are all faking our illness so we can get our pot taxed, ridiculous

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Lenny

7:33 pm on Monday, November 12, 2012

No, people will be faking illness to get pot easily and legally. Just like others fake illnesses to go on permanent disability. All pot heads in this state voted for this law and not because they were worried about sick people. How many potheads do you think voted against it?

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#getreal

10:03 am on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

Do you drink? Then you are an alchoholic. Well, if you are calling everyone a pothead who smokes, then anyone who drinks should be in AA because they are an alchoholic. Stop generalizing and name calling.

doc holliday

8:26 pm on Monday, November 12, 2012

Will it relieve hemorrhoid pain?

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jason wert

9:37 pm on Monday, November 12, 2012

Yes actually it does doc, haha. Cancer, hiv, crones disease, how do u fake these lenny? Because potheads voted for this it should not have passed? I know, were all stupid & lazy

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Lenny

9:50 pm on Monday, November 12, 2012

Your responses are becoming less and less coherent Mr Wert as the day wears on ( I won't hazard to speculate). You don't need to fake a major illness, a sore back or anxiety will be enough, and I'm sure you can pull it off.

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#getreal

10:04 am on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

Sounds like YOU need to smoke some pot!

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Lenny

10:21 am on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

You sound like you need to get a job and read a book getreal. Idiot.

gumshoe

11:15 pm on Monday, November 12, 2012

Hey Lenny my mother has multiple sclerosis and I think after raising two kids by herself she deserves to smoke a joint every now and then to dull the pain of an incurable progressive disease. Also as i have smoked many times i can honestly say that going to a doctor to fake a disease is way to much of a hassle when you can just call up a friend and have a fat bag delivered to your house. Would you really go to all that effort just to skirt the chance of a 100 dollar ticket? DOn't be stupid.

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Lenny

6:39 am on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

Gumshoe, first of all It is not me who is stupid. Sure your mother should smoke a joint if it is for the reason of dulling her pain, all I don't believe it is. What is truly stupid are those of you out there that keep trying to cloud the matter by saying this is all about people who are in pain. The bill was the first stop in an effort to legalize marijuana, not about sick people.
Now speaking of stupid.....is it smart to risk put yourself in strife with law, rather than have your doctor write you a prescription? You could end up with an arrest that will appear on your record and will come up every time you a apply for a job or he rest of your life. And you have the nerve to call me stupid? Idiot.

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Bridget Russo

9:55 am on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

Lenny - you don't get arrested for smoking pot. You get a $100 fine and it's a misdemeanor. Seriously you need to educate yourself on many aspects of marijuana in Massachusetts before rendering an opinion.

jason wert

11:47 pm on Monday, November 12, 2012

Oh because I'm stoned right? Good one, almost as good as the comment about your deadhead friends (by the way that was acid they were doing at those shows, the pot was probably to keep from freaking out). It was probably the pot that made them lazy & stupid though. So what your saying is now that this bill passed, everyone is going to run to the dr faking an illness & our drs are now idiots so they are going to just prescribe pot for everything, sounds logical. Well lenny, its been fun but I've grown tired of your ignorance. I need to get some sleep as I get up at 530 to run my 3 kids to school followed by one of several 12hr work days, but how will I manage that, I mean I'm just a lazy pothead! Goodnight buddy

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Lenny

6:47 am on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

Yes Jason, they will be running to the doctors faking illnesses. Haven't you read about what is happening in California with medical marijuana, or are you too entrenched in your world view to bother?

Your calling me ignorant is your "tell" Jason........you're subconsciously admitting that you know I am correct.

jason wert

12:16 am on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

Right, how hard is it to get a bag of pot these days? You'd have more trouble gettin into an r rated movie! My heart goes out to your mom gumshoe, & your right, she can smoke all the pot she wants! Hopefully this bill will give her better & safer access to her medicine.

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jason wert

9:40 am on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

Either that or your truly ignorant. Should we take a poll?

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Lenny

10:02 am on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

Yes good idea. Your type thinks that facts are determined by majority opinion. If we voted on the theory of relativety, I suspect you folks would vote against it.

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gumshoe

10:15 am on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

Yo I was arrested for attempting to file a complaint against a marblehead police officer. As i walked into the station the officer i was complaining against chased me out and tackled me to the ground as soon i asked for the form. I was never able to file said complaint and i already have a mark on my permanent record and its not for smoking pot. And your right this is a step towards legalizing marijuana. Power to the people. Your stereotyping you bigot. Again I said it your stupid and so is your physics analogy.

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Lenny

10:29 am on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

You are the stereotyping bigot gumshoe. And the jails are full of innocent people just like you who have been harrassed by authorities like the Marblehead police for doing absoultely nothing.

Lenny

10:08 am on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

Wrong Bridget, it is based on amount and whether you are involved in distribution. My friend's teenage son was pulled over in NH in a car full of friends 3 years ago. They were arrested and convicted. He was 17 and it should have been a sealed record, but it still turns up everytime he applies for a job. To this day, some 6 years later, he remains unemployed. But go ahead, break the law...it is your choice, and good luck to you. And yes, you are a nasty person. I don't need to reveal my full name when I am engaging in a civil dispute. But I do applaud your for being so willing to display your nastiness and lack of logic publicly.

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Carolyn Costain

10:08 am on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

This is sad. After 10 surgeries in 10 years with degenerated disc's that blow out if I turn the wrong way , I am always in pain, even with my pain meds because I tense up so much due to the pain. I heard that pot relaxes you and is very good for pain? What is sad, is that I am so allergic to just the smell of pot! I just walk by someone who exhales near me My eyes water , I suddenly feel high as a kite, then I run to the nearest bathroom tossing my cookies. Maybe someday they can make a synthetic pot pill? I use to drink to help pain but that was to much of a risk to human life if I got in my car to drive home, so i quit drinking years ago. Plus , alcohol and med's don't mix. Over the years you hear more deaths due to drunks on the road and alcohol poison. Its rare to hear the same thing happening with pot use. I believe that pot is a peaceful natural drug that really should be an American tradition because if you think the Natives and the Pilgrims suddenly put down their weapon to chow down just to be neighborly? I think they were "smoking pot" in that peace pipe and got the munchies and were so relaxed and laughing so hard, they were not even thinking of killing each other at that point! I believe its safer than booze 100% for the people that can smoke it.

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Lenny

10:11 am on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

And Bridget, are you a historian? You have no idea what you are talking about and you are once again, making up facts. Washington, Jefferson, Madison were NOT potheads, period. Find a credible historian to argue otherwise. Bloggers for High Times or Rolling Stone don't count.

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gumshoe

10:17 am on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

The Native Americans were potheads.

gumshoe

10:21 am on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

I have a friend who is a drug dealer and one day back when the first decriminalized pot he told me "I don't want weed to be legal, because then I won't make any money." You obviously have no experience with drugs or how people get hooked on harder stuff than marijuana. Your argument is invalid. And over 60 percent of the people know it.

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Lenny

10:34 am on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

You seem to be contradicting yourself.

gumshoe

10:33 am on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

Nice come back Lenny how I am a bigot? Who am I stereotyping huh? Rich Yuppies? Corrupt Police? Ya I have been to jail and i wasn't for nothing, it was for standing up for my constitutional rights. Something people of "your type" are scared to do. If I want to smoke pot I am going to no matter what the laws are. You can't stop all of us. Change is coming and there's nothing you can do about it.

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Lenny

10:40 am on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

I had no idea who you were bigoted against, but when someone accuses someone they don't know to be a bigot, with no frame of reference through words or deeds, then it is an indication they themselves are bigots. It is called projectionism. And your last comment proves it. You are a bigot. I wish you luck straightening your life out.

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gumshoe

10:47 am on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

Your just flipping the insult around, that method holds no water. My life is striaght I went right from jail to college where I am majoring in engineering and getting all As and Bs. My life is straight it is your argument that is not.

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Lenny

10:49 am on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

Good for you, I am glad you are doing well. Try to get away from the weed and alchohol and you'll manage straight "A"'s. Good luck, we need more engineers.

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gumshoe

10:56 am on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

I have to go to class now bye.

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Lenny

11:05 am on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

Ok Gumshoe. It won't be so bad, 4 more days this week and then you have the Thanksgiving break next week to look forward to.

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jason wert

12:08 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

Wow does anyone actually agree with this guy? Noone seems to be supporting his side. & carolyn, god bless you for what you go through, I hope you find some relief.

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Lenny

12:22 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

Just because the majority wants something to be true, doesn't mean that it is. Truth exists regardless of whether the populace finds it pleasant or not. Truth can be undemocratic. Truth is independent from human determination, even if a lot of people agree on something.

Jason, read a book.

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jason wert

1:33 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

But this was about a vote & that is about majority. You are not god & you don't get to decide what's true, yours is just an opinion. & your opinion has littered this page for two days, not leaving room for intelligent discussion on this issue. Why don't you find something to do with yourself so the rest of us can talk civily? But of course you wont because your just one of those people who has to shove your beliefs down everyone elses throats. Are you a preacher?

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Lenny

2:58 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

Jason, talk about projectionism. It is you who has been "littering the page for two days". You are on an incoherent rage. Talking civily does not mean everyone has to agree. I have insulted you, but only after you started with the insults, and not just with me. You need a mirror pal.....and I think you need to lie down.

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CommonSenseCitizen

4:18 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

It's a product of a plant, for goodness sakes! There are plenty of people already taking it recreationally, why fool ourselves? They already have it available in pill form sold by pharmaceutical companies, so I guess it is okay as long as big companies are the ones making a profit on it?

The above arguments can be applied to both marijuana and heroine. Anyone for making heroine legal and setting up shops to buy it?

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Mark McSnark

4:58 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

I prefer extremely potent narcotics but medical marijuana is good for the comedown

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Riso

5:35 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012

I live in MA and wouldn't mind having one in my town. I've seen them in California and I think they look kind of swanky. We have to many empty strip malls. I would prefer a dispensary over another liquor store, or bar room any day. Or another "masseuse message parlor" for that matter. Less crime associated with medical marijuana and they wouldn't be open until 2:00AM like clubs and bar rooms. I don't see the problem. I think it may also decrease the amount of kids selling pot on the side for extra cash and going to jail. Legal regulated dispensaries should be safer for those who do smoke. At least they can be sure that the drug is not tainted with pcp, lsd or whatever because it's regulated. I say let them open. So long as my town gets the jobs and the extra tax revenue that it brings in. Tax and regulate them.

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